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Hm, ako ovo zazivi da mozes stavit u dvoriste, na kucu par komada, onda sve ove velike turbine neznam koliko ima smisla raditi.. zamisli samo posloziti uz autoput do maslenice ili ostrovica-kikovica gdje prakticno stalno puse...

 

 

 

 
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Veća od najveće: u Kini otkrivena nova najveća vje

ne kužim ovo "otkrivena". znači da je bila pokrivena prije? je li to obavio onaj tuta bugarin christo

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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bus kaže...

Hm, ako ovo zazivi da mozes stavit u dvoriste, na kucu par komada, onda sve ove velike turbine neznam koliko ima smisla raditi.. zamisli samo posloziti uz autoput do maslenice ili ostrovica-kikovica gdje prakticno stalno puse...

 

 

 

 
Postoje razni dizajni s raznim prednostima i nedostacima, za razne uvjete. Što je turbina veća, logično da hvata i više vjetra i daje više energije.
Gigantske trokrake mlatilice su se do sada pokazale kao najoptimalniji univerzalni dizajn za većinu uvjeta (ako gledaš i troškove i kompliciranost izrade i održavanja), iako imaju svojih slabosti.

Pogledaj i ovaj post:


Al Crane kaže...

Potrebe za skladištenjem mogu se reducirati na više načina:

1) Postojeća postrojenja mogu biti optimizirana kao cjelina

The increase in energy output from a given installation may seem modest — it’s about 1.2 percent overall, and 3 percent for optimal wind speeds. But the algorithm can be deployed at any wind farm, and the number of wind farms is rapidly growing to meet accelerated climate goals. If that 1.2 percent energy increase were applied to all the world’s existing wind farms, it would be the equivalent of adding more than 3,600 new wind turbines, or enough to power about 3 million homes, and a total gain to power producers of almost a billion dollars per year, the researchers say.
And all of this for essentially no cost.
https://news.mit.edu/2022/wind-farm-optimization-energy-flow-0811


2) Vjetroturbine klasičnog dizajna mogu biti poboljšane pri izradi

Although the cost of the enhanced parts will probably be higher, the reduced cost of repairs and less downtime has increased the amount of energy produced. This increase exceeds the additional costs, and we are proud to say that our innovative technologies have helped reduce overall costs by 14-22%.
https://greenovate-europe.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Designing-the-wind-turbine-of-the-future_WINDTRUST.pdf


3) Postoje noviji provjereno efikasniji dizajni koji mogu iskorištavati veći raspon vjetrova, kao npr. toroidalni, uz još neke pogodnosti kao veća gustoća, smanjenje buke, manje održavanja, još više enviro-friendly, itd...

There are numerous benefits of this configuration. First, substantial research of the toroidal shape has demonstrated the efficiency of this configuration due to a substantial increase in wind speed especially nearest the sides of the core tower. The unique shape allows for a large volume of wind to be funneled from three sides (top, bottom, and laterally), not just one, towards the rotors in the hollows of the tower. Second, the rotor pairs operate independently from rotors on other levels which allow each rotor pair to face directly into the wind at its particular altitude. Third, because each pair is independent from other pairs, the tower can produce a portion of its overall capacity when wind conditions and maintenance activities warrant. For example, if the wind is moving sufficiently fast to generate power at the level of the higher modules but not at the lower modules, the higher module rotors can still operate and produce electricity thereby increasing the tower's overall “capacity factor”—i.e., actual energy output per year compared to the potential maximum. Partial production is also a significant advantage to reduce maintenance costs because the tower can still produce some power while a subset of rotors is being fixed.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US9127646B2/en


3a) Čak i vjetrova orkanske snage.
http://copjapan.env.go.jp/cop/cop24/en/pavilion/04/


I za sve to uopće ne treba nuklearna fizika niti nova golema katastrofalna industrija.

Svi smo čuli da će milijun majmuna koji lupaju o milijun pisaćih strojeva na kraju reproducirati cjelokupna Shakespeareova djela. Sada, zahvaljujući Internetu, znamo da to nije istina. - R. Wilensky
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Al Crane kaže...
bus kaže...

Hm, ako ovo zazivi da mozes stavit u dvoriste, na kucu par komada, onda sve ove velike turbine neznam koliko ima smisla raditi.. zamisli samo posloziti uz autoput do maslenice ili ostrovica-kikovica gdje prakticno stalno puse...

 

 

 

 
Postoje razni dizajni s raznim prednostima i nedostacima, za razne uvjete. Što je turbina veća, logično da hvata i više vjetra i daje više energije.
Gigantske trokrake mlatilice su se do sada pokazale kao najoptimalniji univerzalni dizajn za većinu uvjeta (ako gledaš i troškove i kompliciranost izrade i održavanja), iako imaju svojih slabosti.

Pogledaj i ovaj post:


Al Crane kaže...

Potrebe za skladištenjem mogu se reducirati na više načina:

1) Postojeća postrojenja mogu biti optimizirana kao cjelina

The increase in energy output from a given installation may seem modest — it’s about 1.2 percent overall, and 3 percent for optimal wind speeds. But the algorithm can be deployed at any wind farm, and the number of wind farms is rapidly growing to meet accelerated climate goals. If that 1.2 percent energy increase were applied to all the world’s existing wind farms, it would be the equivalent of adding more than 3,600 new wind turbines, or enough to power about 3 million homes, and a total gain to power producers of almost a billion dollars per year, the researchers say.
And all of this for essentially no cost.
https://news.mit.edu/2022/wind-farm-optimization-energy-flow-0811


2) Vjetroturbine klasičnog dizajna mogu biti poboljšane pri izradi

Although the cost of the enhanced parts will probably be higher, the reduced cost of repairs and less downtime has increased the amount of energy produced. This increase exceeds the additional costs, and we are proud to say that our innovative technologies have helped reduce overall costs by 14-22%.
https://greenovate-europe.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Designing-the-wind-turbine-of-the-future_WINDTRUST.pdf


3) Postoje noviji provjereno efikasniji dizajni koji mogu iskorištavati veći raspon vjetrova, kao npr. toroidalni, uz još neke pogodnosti kao veća gustoća, smanjenje buke, manje održavanja, još više enviro-friendly, itd...

There are numerous benefits of this configuration. First, substantial research of the toroidal shape has demonstrated the efficiency of this configuration due to a substantial increase in wind speed especially nearest the sides of the core tower. The unique shape allows for a large volume of wind to be funneled from three sides (top, bottom, and laterally), not just one, towards the rotors in the hollows of the tower. Second, the rotor pairs operate independently from rotors on other levels which allow each rotor pair to face directly into the wind at its particular altitude. Third, because each pair is independent from other pairs, the tower can produce a portion of its overall capacity when wind conditions and maintenance activities warrant. For example, if the wind is moving sufficiently fast to generate power at the level of the higher modules but not at the lower modules, the higher module rotors can still operate and produce electricity thereby increasing the tower's overall “capacity factor”—i.e., actual energy output per year compared to the potential maximum. Partial production is also a significant advantage to reduce maintenance costs because the tower can still produce some power while a subset of rotors is being fixed.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US9127646B2/en


3a) Čak i vjetrova orkanske snage.
http://copjapan.env.go.jp/cop/cop24/en/pavilion/04/


I za sve to uopće ne treba nuklearna fizika niti nova golema katastrofalna industrija.

 Da, ali ovo je interesantno jer mozes imat i doma u vrtu, doslovno svako kucanstvo 1-2-.... koliko ti treba za osobne potrebe

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bus kaže...

Hm, ako ovo zazivi da mozes stavit u dvoriste, na kucu par komada, onda sve ove velike turbine neznam koliko ima smisla raditi.. zamisli samo posloziti uz autoput do maslenice ili ostrovica-kikovica gdje prakticno stalno puse...

 

 

 

 
Sad sam pogledao video... nešto slično, solarno-vjetroviti toranj/instalaciju već x godina nudi i jedna južnokorejska kompanija, zaboravio sam kako se zove projekt.


A i samo sunčevo zagrijavanje može pokretati konstantnu struju vjetra, čak i noću; tzv. solar updraft tower.
Jedan takav je uspješno testiran u Španjolskoj još 1980tih.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
https://www.sbp.de/en/project/solar-chimney-pilot-plant-manzanares/
https://www.enviromission.com.au/site/solar-towers/history-of-the-sct-concept
https://www.solaripedia.com/13/371/5025/solar_updraft_tower_in_manzanares_spain.html



A tu je i ideja za tornadoelektran


Naravno, sve to nije baš za kućnu upotrebu. Pretpostavljam da si mislio na fiksnu vjetroturbinu na početku videa.

Svi smo čuli da će milijun majmuna koji lupaju o milijun pisaćih strojeva na kraju reproducirati cjelokupna Shakespeareova djela. Sada, zahvaljujući Internetu, znamo da to nije istina. - R. Wilensky
Poruka je uređivana zadnji put uto 6.6.2023 9:31 (Al Crane).
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